which helmets for swedish/ birka riders?

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which helmets for swedish/ birka riders?

Inläggav corin » 18 maj 2005, 11:14

Hello,



i want to reenact an swedish nobleman/ rider who lived in birka/ roslagen in the year 950 a.d. Now i have a big problem: I don't know what types of helmets were used by swedish cavalery/ nobles in the year 950. I'm surving the web since weeks but i found nothing.

You are my last chance. I hope somebody can help me.
Here is my question:



What types of helmets were used by swedish cavalary/ nobles in the year 950 in birka/ roslagen (eastern sweden)?



- spangen helmets or helmets like the ölmütz-helmet?



- helmets like the gjermundbur helmet from norway with a face mask/ eye protection (similar to the välsgarde helmet)?



- slavic rider helmets?




Greetings from Germany



Claus Weber
corin
 
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Inläggav Ny Björn » 18 maj 2005, 17:53

Hi Claus

Unfortunatly my answer, at least from a Birka-perspective, is that the mounted warriors of east Svealand didn't wear helmets. This statement is of course based on grave finds and one might argue that helmets for some reason could not be burried with the dead nobles - but that won't bring us more helmets...

If you, however, have your mind set on portraying a Birka Noble WITH a helmet my advice is to get inspired by the Ukranian Chernigov helmets published by Anatolij Kirpicnikov in "<b>Russische Helme aus dem frühen Mittelalter</b>" (<i>Waffen- und Kostümkunde</i>, 1973). The Rus' archaelogical material is somewhat different but it is still closer to many of the Birka finds than most of the contemporary finds from Svealand proper.

/NB
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Inläggav corin » 19 maj 2005, 08:28

thank's for your answer!

what is about the helmets like the one found in gjermbundju? Did the mounted svear nobles wear helmets with a face mask/ googles in the 10th century?


Greetings

Corin
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Inläggav Ny Björn » 19 maj 2005, 09:32

No, as far as I know there are no indications what so ever for the use of "googled" helmets in Svealand after the Vendel Period. And yes - yet again this statement is based mainly on grave finds. I'd advice you not to use such a helmet for a Birka display. Some people might say that it doesn't matter, but Gjermundbu is after all a Norwegian find site, far from Svealand in general and Birka in particular.

/N B
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Inläggav corin » 19 maj 2005, 10:13

o.k. i think i'll take a ukranian helmet because i have also a lamellar body armour made of birka lamells. Then i look like a rus and perhaps not like a svear :-) but even better than wearing a googled helmet. i also found a picture yesterday of a runestone from gotland. the mounted warrior on the stone wears such a ukranian helmet!

my last qustion: do you work in archeological area? If somebody asking me for my sources ;-)

Greetings

corin
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Inläggav Ny Björn » 19 maj 2005, 10:22

Yes I am a Viking Specialist. That being said I'm not all-knowing - but when it commes to general equipment, armour and weapons you can refer to me.

/N B
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Inläggav corin » 19 maj 2005, 10:35

super !!!!

thank you very very much [:D]

Greetings

claus
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Inläggav VonGraven » 19 maj 2005, 14:27

Could you post a picture of the stone you mentioned?
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Inläggav corin » 19 maj 2005, 15:23

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Inläggav Edvin » 19 maj 2005, 17:52

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by corin</i>

here it comes:
http://home.no.net/ahruner/go-rune-stenkyrka.jpg
Greetings
claus
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Oh, it´s the gotlandish Memorial Stone from Lillebjärs on Gotland I´ll guess? Here is another [url="http://www.tjelvar.org/~esjoberg/viking/byxor_04.jpg"]picture[/url].
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Inläggav Wladimir » 5 maj 2006, 15:58

@Ny Björn: Maybe you have a scan version about...Ukranian Chernigov helmets published by Anatolij Kirpicnikov in "Russische Helme aus dem frühen Mittelalter" (Waffen- und Kostümkunde, 1973).... ???
I searched in Germany about that but i don`t find anything!

Best regards
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Inläggav Ny Björn » 16 maj 2006, 21:06

No Wladimir, I haven't - sorry.
Try posting about it at the Historical Research forum at Armour Archive - I bet Robb Schuster or some of the Varangian boys from Oz have it...

/N B
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Inläggav Wladimir » 21 maj 2006, 09:21

ok, thanx a lot for your help
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